Foil/Gilding/Specials - Overdone or more, more, more!

[Harvonsgard]

I think I've basically sworn off gilded decks in general at this point, they're nice to look at and I understand why others would want them in their collection, but they kind of go against some of my collecting criteria for playing cards.

Comments like this, made me think if there're more people thinking alike. I personally never was a fan of gilded decks, since they mostly are just limited editions of a standard version. Therefore I'm happy to see that other collectors seem to be feed up with the hype of gilding aswell.

Since 2018, it seemed to me, that the features of the decks have become more important than the design itself.
While some got bashed for simple recolours, others got loved/praised for gilded versions of existing decks, which is pretty biased in my opinion.

Foils, metallic inks, gilding... thoughts on all this stuff, limme hear it in this thread. Overdone? Or not enough?

If you are a sucker for gilded edges; why do you like it? Why is a standard Kwp Equinox not good enough ?

As always, keep it civil !

[Lotrek]

Well, imagine that: I was never a fan of gold. I just happened to see a foiled picture hanging on a wall one day and it got me thinking "there is a lot of potential here". It's all a matter of HOW, not a matter of WHAT. If foil/gilding is used as a remedy for poor design then, yes. It's overdone. If foil/gilding are a vital part of the design, then MORE MORE MORE!!!

[rousselle]

EXACTLY what Lotrek said.

[MagikFingerz]

To explain my comment further: My collecting criteria has narrowed quite a bit from the wide-eyed, gotta-catch-em-all newbie collector I was in the beginning. I now only collect designs that I really like, and mostly ones that lend themselves well to cardistry (my kind of cardistry, at least). As with any rule, there are exceptions. Gilding, to me, doesn't add anything to a deck other than making it nicer to look at from a different angle, but the edges doesn't play any part in the design of the surface area IMO. Gilding can "go well with" a deck's theme or visual aesthetics, but I don't feel like it really adds anything. It does, however, make a deck handle worse. And like shiroo said, "they mostly are just limited editions of a standard version" anyway, so I don't feel like I need to add them to my collection at all anymore.

I understand that others have different collecting criteria, so I am not against gilding in and of itself, certainly not when it's done on special editions. If I see a deck I like that only comes in a gilded version, I get disappointed, but I can't expect its creator to conform to my own preferences.

[chicken_ql]

I like gilding, but not if gilding is the only difference between the decks. I feel that gilding adds a certain luxury to the decks. It's definitely not a deck for practical use but it does give a wow factor to people not familiar with cards.

[Smocito]

I like gilding because

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[Outsider]

Gilding is like chrome and fancy wheels on a car. Looks good if the car itself is already a looker, otherwise it highlights what a hooptie it really is.

[Magic Tapp]

Gilding is like chrome and fancy wheels on a car. Looks good if the car itself is already a looker, otherwise it highlights what a hooptie it really is.

That is pretty much what Lotrek said...

[hsbc]

Lotrek is on point - and I'll admit it, I like shiny decks

[theCapraAegagrus]

There are only a few decks out there where IMO the gilding really turns it into a royal deck. JR's Tally-Hos are easily at the top of that list. The Gilded Ultimate Deck. Sunish's decks. Omar's green deck looks like it'll be luxurious.

Most of the time, gilding is entirely unnecessary. Sometimes, it makes a deck a better collectible when it enhances the back design.

I feel like foil is less "overdone", just because it's more properly used. Specifically by people like Lotrek, Lorenzo, and Gio. IMO Gio's decks look WORSE when gilded.

[macstrat]

I agree 100$ with what lotrek said, taking that a step further, I think the idea in general feeds into the idea of shiny = exclusive worth and It just feeds a larger issue. With Kickstarter campaigns for example, after you reach a certain point, they just keep adding things on to the point of it being comical. If they aren't laid out and prototyped at the creation of the deck, rather than a cash grab, I don't think they should be done. Sunish's decks are a great example of how gilding should work.

"Oh look, we have 2 decks, color variations: What else do you want? A better tuck? Done!"
A week later: "We have another deck that is the same, but different, so up your pledge by another $30!"
A week after that: "We have a new deck that gilded! Its shiny so it looks expensive. Up your pledge, this time its only $80 extra!"
After another week: "We added another gilded, black, exclusive deck that we are only making 50000 of! But this is only for people that bid at the $10000 pledge level for a cargo van full of cards, so all you early backers, either quick being cheapskates or you're screwed!"

And yes, I get that gilding can be expensive and time consuming, I dont mind paying a little extra for a well gilded deck, but is there really a need for a gilded Bicycle Faro deck? No!(sorry Will) Or a gilded PopCamo deck? Absolutely not!

For me as a collector, I would rather see extra money raised be put into a booklet explaining the process and the history of a deck, or nice dual boxes for all backers than gilding any day.
OK, rant over.

[STLBluesNut]

I won't go into the long story again, but the seasons emerald insights deck is what got me into collecting. It was the coolest deck I had ever seen. I now have several gilded decks. However, I guess it has kind of worn off. They are generally sticky and I am afraid to shuffle or use them much. On some decks it looks really nice, if it is other than gold. I will continue to get some when appropriate and priced right, but it is not a must have for me as it once was.

When I see some offering it for $10 per deck and then others upwards of $25 extra I'm just like wtf and will not buy those.

Foil, however, it seems I cannot get enough. Tucks, card backs, card fronts, I'll take it all. Foil on the tuck can be a make or break for almost any collector design. It doesn't even need to be a lot. I cant think of a card that has foil on the front or back that I thought it should be there or would be better without.

All that being said, my personal preference on foil would be colored or copper then silver then gold.

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[theCapraAegagrus]

I won't go into the long story again, but the seasons emerald insights deck is what got me into collecting. It was the coolest deck I had ever seen. I now have several gilded decks. However, I guess it has kind of worn off. They are generally sticky and I am afraid to shuffle or use them much. On some decks it looks really nice, if it is other than gold. I will continue to get some when appropriate and priced right, but it is not a must have for me as it once was.

When I see some offering it for $10 per deck and then others upwards of $25 extra I'm just like wtf and will not buy those.

Foil, however, it seems I cannot get enough. Tucks, card backs, card fronts, I'll take it all. Foil on the tuck can be a make or break for almost any collector design. It doesn't even need to be a lot. I cant think of a card that has foil on the front or back that I thought it should be there or would be better without.

All that being said, my personal preference on foil would be colored or copper then silver then gold.

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Are you big on the regular Rarebit deck? With all that copper metallic ink, if you don't have it, you should get it.

[montenzi]

Please! No more decks with foil! Foil is so bad on playing cards. I am ready to be the only victim of this technology.

[chicken_ql]

Please! No more decks with foil! Foil is so bad on playing cards. I am ready to be the only victim of this technology.

I await a day when someone uses 15 different colours of cold foil to make each card

[Bradius]

I await a day when someone uses 15 different colours of cold foil to make each card

Have you seen Montenzi's Neo Wave Ultra deck? It has graduated foil colors in it. The ability to have near infinite foil colors is open using cold foil, with the precision of ink printing. It isn't as shiny as hot foil, but the potential is essentially endless. I don't know though how hard it is to design in all these colors using cold foil in a file format that Cartamundi can use.

You can get an idea, here is the link to the Neo Wave Kickstarter discussion with some of the photos:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11252&hilit=Neo+Wave&start=100

It was fun reading the discussion, including my reaction opening this deck for the first time. How could I forget?

[montenzi]

Yes, basics are easy to understand -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_foil_printing

But I don't understand how they apply varnish at the end to make this deck playable.

To design, you need to specify areas with foil. It's easy for vector but tricky for raster images. So you have one layer of main design and another layer of foil. That's it.
Any CMYK/Pantone color can be used.

[Lotrek]

Essentially, multi-color cold foil is just like having an extra color:

1_ In the areas you want foil a kind of glue is applied just like the ink.
2_The sheet passes from a roll with silver foil which adheres to the desired area(s)
3_ The sheet is printed with CMYK or Pantone colors and the foiled areas are colored too.

It's nice if you use it properly but it lacks the depth that hot stamping gives. Of course it also lacks the pressure marks on the other side of the card...