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Very happy to see the decks are being well received, we'll be opening up the Storenvy shop in about a week. I think we'll be providing a "Forum" discount when that happens. In the mean time if anyone is interested in Aquila feel free to message me and we'll take care of you while supplies last

Mike is spot on, difficult to convey the look and feel of the decks, but I'll keep trying, lol

So sad I won't be able to see mine till thanksgiving. Sometimes I just don't get paid enough to have to wait. Lol.

I seen Magic Trick Store on the mailing package. I thought this were the preordered Run decks from CPC at first. Once again, these cards are beautiful (which I rarely use that word).

Got mine as well! You really outdid yourselves with the tucks. They're lovely!

I'm not a magician, but I'd like to know what kind of tricks can be performed with the Standard Edition gaff card. Looks pretty neat!

Thanks again for the kind words. CPC did do the fulfillment for us that's why you'll see The Magic Trick Store attached to it.

I said (here & elsewhere) that Aquila decks turned out even better in person, and even my pix show it:

Thanks for the support Mike, for those of you who may have missed the campaign, the Kardify Storenvy shop will be open tomorrow. We will be releasing a Forum discount code after Black Friday. And for those who think that odd, we didn't want to compete with our wholesale purchasers and their promotions, fair is fair

The shop will have a couple nice bundles though, you can check out the shop here: http://kardifyprojects.storenvy.com/

Thanks again for all the support and kind words

The Shop is now open, we have a Forum Discount code that will start Cyber Monay " 1FORUM5" for 15% off your order.

Thanks again,
Tony

Aquila sale this Saturday!!!

So, isn't that significantly less than the KS price?

I believe these were $40 during the KS.

Strag wrote:So, isn't that significantly less than the KS price?

Yep, they were at $40 plus shipping.

That's something that I don't understand, designers want backers to support their work and thus given them the opportunity to get the rewards at a lower price, and then they do this... Only if I knew, could had saved some money.

So, if someone does a Kickstarter, they aren't allowed to have a sale? For 30 pairs? For a limited time? For any reason?

Sounds like a good deal for anyone who missed out 8 months ago.

TGunitedcardists wrote:So, if someone does a Kickstarter, they aren't allowed to have a sale? For 30 pairs? For a limited time? For any reason?

Sounds like a good deal for anyone who missed out 8 months ago.

They can do whatever they want. It's their business.
Now, I also can feel that it is not fair for the ones that supported they in the first place.

meh, whatever. Being a backer doesn't give us king status, we get a chance to 'buy' a deck, participate in the design process, be guaranteed a limited deck and get it first (if anything we should EXPECT to pay a PREMIUM for this in my mind). If they later find out they over-estimated demand or just had a bunch left over from a minimum order and can't move that inventory, what would you prefer? They give everybody a refund and take more of a loss? Sit on potentially thousands of dollars of inventory and hinder future design projects as a result?

This 'but I backed you, screw you' attitude sickens me, it reeks of entitlement which I can't stand. It's annoying, but prices change everywhere else, sometimes you time it right, sometimes you don't. At least if you got in during a project you knew you were in. It's not like they sat there saying "let's sell it for x and then after we'll drop it to x-y and ha ha, screw those backers", right?

Not that anybody SO FAR has sounded that way, but I know I've seen it here before and some are thinking it even if they don't come out and say it. So please, don't take offense, but if you do then perhaps you should re-evaluate things.

We also get the chance to get screwed over an receive nothing, or receive a substandard design, or get it years late.

From a business standpoint, in the minds of some people they are trading immediate cash for potential future business.

I have cut way back on KS and increased aftermarket and saved money as a result. I've missed out on a few LEs and short runs, but got most I wanted.

I do find it amusing you're telling people how they should share your feelings. Do you not see the hypocrisy in your statement? We are all entitled to our own thoughts. Feeling like I overpaid is not entitlement... it's fact in my case.

It's a gamble. It's always a gamble, no matter what you spend your money on when it comes to items. Buy a TV on sale for $699 - two weeks later they have it on sale for $200 less. You could've waited and gotten it for less, but you also risk missing out. The only thing you can do is decide if you find the current price worth it. There'll always be decks we miss out on because we waited, and there'll always be decks we picked up right away only to see them on sale later on.

If you were happy about them three days ago, you can be happy about them now too, even if some others might get them for less than what you paid. It's still the same amount of decks printed, so it's not like it'll affect any value in the long run either.

This is a SALE!!! It's a celebration sale. I picked up the Limited Collector Set and Mixed Quad. Am I mad that they are having a sale now, not at all. I agreed to back their project and received a reward. I received that reward in a timely manner and ensured that I did receive these decks. I could have waited but what if they had all sold out? I would have had to gone on the secondary market and paid twice what they originally cost. You NEED to get over yourselves. If you dislike anyone associated with this deck, then don't back them on any other project and don't purchase these decks. Also this price price more than likely doesn't include shipping so it's not but a few dollars difference in the end.

Thats way less than what we paid for a wholesale order

Well, you can't make everybody happy and most will complain to no end.

sms69x wrote:They can do whatever they want. It's their business. Now, I also can feel that it is not fair for the ones that supported they in the first place.

Imagine if this was the mindset about buying computers, books, cars, food... Wait. It isn't. And it shouldn't be for cards.

I backed this Kickstarter, i`m very happy with my cards and the price i paid on kickstarter for the cards.
I`ll back any future kickstarter Kardify does.

Tony and the guys made sure the Backers all received their cards before any went on sale anywhere.
As far as i`m concerned they can sell their surplus stock for whatever price they like.

This is one of the big problems with KS now. True crowdfunding is where someone has an idea for a product, but does not have the means to get conventional funding to bring their product to the market. So they rely on individual backers and supporter as an aggregate who believe in them when other investors, banks, or financial institutions do not believe or support. Theoretically, these backers and supporters are special, and receive preferential benefits in the form of rewards for making this idea a reality.

What KS has become is in essence an online pre-order e-commerce site for a lot of projects, which is not in the true spirit of traditional crowdfunding. So backers and supports are now just another random regular customer instead of a special investor.

Obviously people are free to do or sell whatever they want, whenever they want, for whatever price they want. I don't know why we always have to rehash this point, its just a given. But in my personal opinion, I think its bad form to undercut your KS backers and supporters by selling your product for less than KS prices, especially if it hasn't been that long since the successful completion of your KS campaign. Is it illegal for someone to undercut their KS pricing? Would I think they're horrible people? Of course not, its none of my business and I don't walk in their shoes. It still doesn't change my feeling that its bad form to undercut your KS backers, and I don't blame KS backers at all if any feel slapped in the face when they get undercut.

KS grew from a pure concept into this gigantic cash-making conglomerate, it just is what it is. You can't compare crowdfunding to buying cars, books, or computers, irrelevant comparison.

TGunitedcardists wrote:

sms69x wrote:They can do whatever they want. It's their business. Now, I also can feel that it is not fair for the ones that supported they in the first place.

Imagine if this was the mindset about buying computers, books, cars, food... Wait. It isn't. And it shouldn't be for cards.

John Lennon wrote:Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

EDIT:
Thank you sinjin7, I couldn't have said it better (mostly because my english ins't the good!)

sms69x wrote:

TGunitedcardists wrote:

sms69x wrote:They can do whatever they want. It's their business. Now, I also can feel that it is not fair for the ones that supported they in the first place.

Imagine if this was the mindset about buying computers, books, cars, food... Wait. It isn't. And it shouldn't be for cards.

John Lennon wrote:Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

This makes no sense. If you want to play the subtext game instead of being clear, that is your choice. A poor one at that.

sinjin7 wrote:This is one of the big problems with KS now. True crowdfunding is where someone has an idea for a product, but does not have the means to get conventional funding to bring their product to the market. So they rely on individual backers and supporter as an aggregate who believe in them when other investors, banks, or financial institutions do not believe or support. Theoretically, these backers and supporters are special, and receive preferential benefits in the form of rewards for making this idea a reality....You can't compare crowdfunding to buying cars, books, or computers, irrelevant comparison.

Much of what you said is very true, except that where is it a given that those preferential benefits HAS to be price? As was stated, we get to be part of what is often a limited run that may not be available elsewhere, be part of the design process, special tiers and rewards, etc. I'm not sure why it's assumed that the best price should always be for backers, some projects state this is a benefit, but for those that don't it shouldn't be assumed.

You brought up the fact that we are really investors in a way, supporting them in a risky venture and get a reward. In that case, why shouldn't future price risk be part of that risk equation? Fact is, it can be and often is, just like anything else.

My primary point was it's natural to be irritated and it's fair to express your feelings over that, but those that blacklist or deride a project creator for clearing out excess inventory at a reduced price after a project is over is reacting out of emotions and not seeing their side of the story. This does in fact help the creator out by bringing in the last bit of funding for a completed project, which in turn may allow them to be more likely to do another. That's a benefit to me who also 'over paid' and yeah more so for those who got the better price, but those that got the better price took on a greater risk of assuming they could get them cheaper later, if at all.

Now, where's that peace pipe at?

ecNate wrote:where is it a given that those preferential benefits HAS to be price? As was stated, we get to be part of what is often a limited run that may not be available elsewhere, be part of the design process, special tiers and rewards, etc. I'm not sure why it's assumed that the best price should always be for backers, some projects state this is a benefit, but for those that don't it shouldn't be assumed.

This is actually a fair point.

I've backed 94 successful KS projects, 130 total projects in all, and most were not for playing cards. Most of those projects explicitly say to the effect, "back us now and get X product for $?.00, which will be far less than what the retail price is going to be". And other projects, while not explicitly stating a discount, imply a KS discount in their verbiage on their project page or in their video. And let's be real and honest: the great majority of KS projects tout price as the primary enticement for attracting supporters.

So I will revise my opinion as follows: I feel its bad form to undercut your KS backers and supporters by selling your product for less than KS prices if you explicitly or implicitly stated that one of the benefits of being a backer is preferential pricing, especially if it hasn't ben that long since the successful completion of your KS campaign.

sinjin7 wrote: So I will revise my opinion as follows: I feel its bad form to undercut your KS backers and supporters by selling your product for less than KS prices if you explicitly or implicitly stated that one of the benefits of being a backer is preferential pricing, especially if it hasn't ben that long since the successful completion of your KS campaign.

Kardify pricing:

Kickstarter: $40
Post Kickstarter: $60
24 hour sale: $29.95

Outside Kickstarter, businesses selling projects, Black Friday and Cyber Monday seem to be popular events, based on heavily discounting products that were priced higher. They are popular events.

If they didn't win awards, would they have these on sale? Who knows. I got my set from KS so I really don't have a problem with these being $10 less. I just saved $9 from another KS project. I don't trip about missing certain sales because I know down the line, I'll save money on other things or already have.

Bikefanatic wrote:If they didn't win awards, would they have these on sale? Who knows. I got my set from KS so I really don't have a problem with these being $10 less. I just saved $9 from another KS project. I don't trip about missing certain sales because I know down the line, I'll save money on other things or already have.

Hear hear. Well said.