Edits needed

[MagikFingerz]

So I finally have some time and got around to checking this db thing out. When adding decks to my collection I've seen a few things that I know are wrong, but I don't necessarily know what's right. Making this thread to bring up entries that are possibly wrong, so that people who know what's right can make the appropriate corrections. Also I don't have editing rights, but I'm also away from my collection until christmas so it doesn't matter

1. I feel like the Aladdin, Arrco and Bee brands belong in the USPCC section (which also could use a drop-down menu to spread things out). They're not brands I would call "custom brands".

2. there's the New Fan Backs and Steamboats listed in the Dan and Dave section. These are obviously not "by DnD", and also the release date is wrong because they are from their personal collection (Ohio printed judging by the blue seals). No idea on what the actual release date is though, but I would lump them into USPCC as well.

3. In the Ellusionist section, there are both Shadow Masters and Masters Edition Black which are the same deck. Don't know what the protocol is for that, merging or whatever. Also one called Shadow Masters Ghost (no pics) which I can only assume is the Black Ghost deck, so another dupe.

4. Lance's Gargoyles have one just called Gargoyles and one Gargoyles Expo, these are the same deck with and without a piece of plastic with graphics on it.

5. A few other decks with dupes: Pr1me Sketch, Bicycle New Era (one called 59FIFTY [Bicycle]),

6. 2 decks called Bicycle Bungalov/Bungalou should probably be deleted.

7. "Fleur Di Lis" decks should be *De.

8. There's a "Lumberjack (Bicycle)" entry in the USPCC section, which aslo has a separate entry in its own section called Lumberjack. Same with "Rider Back Professional" which is also found in the Conjuring Arts section.

9. USPCC section has 1 "Pink Ribbon" entry which I assume is the same as "Breast Cancer 2".

Sorry for being all "FIX DIS PLOX", but I'm assuming that most of these things can't be done by a regular editor anyway. Also thought it best to bring them to light in case I'm wrong about dupes being different versions or whatever.

[nECr0MaNCeD]

Tom;
I noticed most of these as well. On another note. When adding decks to my collection, when I type a number in the selection box such as 1 or 2 I get a drop down/scroll box full of that number. Such as when I type 1 I get a scroll box and all the choices are "1". I am using Firefox so It may be a FF thing. I also use the ad-on "No script" but I have given permission for the scripts so that should not be the problem.

Anyway, if there is something I can do to help, just ask.

[MagikFingerz]

Tom;
I noticed most of these as well. On another note. When adding decks to my collection, when I type a number in the selection box such as 1 or 2 I get a drop down/scroll box full of that number. Such as when I type 1 I get a scroll box and all the choices are "1". I am using Firefox so It may be a FF thing. I also use the ad-on "No script" but I have given permission for the scripts so that should not be the problem.

Anyway, if there is something I can do to help, just ask.

I get that too, in Chrome. Although since I'm away from my collection I just put 1 on all of them for now (which is true for most of them). Pretty sure it's an autofill feature, and from what I could find with my Google-Fu there's no option to disable it on certain websites.

Also I just noticed that point 6 has already been mentioned in the "Contribute..." thread.

[iDoctor]

hi,
#7 has improved
#8 has improved
#4 - there are 3 Lance's Gargoyles editions in the PCDB: regular, expo2010 and Bicycle branded Artist's edition. Please comment if not correct?

[MagikFingerz]

hi,
#7 has improved
#8 has improved
#4 - there are 3 Lance's Gargoyles editions in the PCDB: regular, expo2010 and Bicycle branded Artist's edition. Please comment if not correct?

I thought there were only 1 earlier edition than the Artist's Edition. As you can see in the picture below (my own), the same deck looks different with and without a plastic cover. Same box, same cards. Although I see the two entries have different release dates listed, but I'm pretty sure they're the same. Also one of the entries has pictures from the Artist's Edition in it.



Btw, how can I acquire editing rights? I have a lot of photos like the one above I could add

[dnwheeler]

Sorry about the typo in the Fleur De Lis decks.

The Bicycle Bungalov could either be deleted or just renamed to Faded Dirty (that's what the current image is).

Bicycle Bungalou is a bit trickier to fix. The image is the tuck for the 1128 deck, but there are actually two variations that only affect the faces of the cards (and the back of the tuck). So, it should really be split into two decks, but some users have already added it to their collection and we can't tell which variation they have. There is also a separate entry called "Rider Back Metallic Silver [Bicycle]" which is probably the same but shows the international tuck.

Could someone rename "Patriotic Playing Cards - Air Force" to just "Patriotic Air Force" to match the other decks in that series that I added (I think "Patriotic xxx" fits the naming convention better than "Patriotic Playing Cards - xxx", but I could be wrong).

Someone should also add playingcards.net (a.k.a. Gambler's Warehouse) and Vincenzo Di Fatta to the company list. These get a bit strange, though, since their releases are mostly just additional colors of standard USPCC decks, and it might not be desirable to split up the sets. The Skull and Dragon Back decks are definitely in this situation.

I had started working on a similar database before I discovered Rhu's work, and I used the database schema to address this issue. I broke the concept of a "deck" into two: a "deck" and a "deck variation". For example, the Dragon Back is a "deck" that has 5 "deck variations" (red, blue, gold, green, and yellow). The manufacturer and producer were associated with the deck variation and not the deck. This allows for different variations from different producers. I was planning on making all Rider Back decks different variations of a single deck design. Similarly, the Theory11 Platinum decks are just variations of the standard USPCC decks.

--Doug

[iDoctor]

Btw, how can I acquire editing rights? I have a lot of photos like the one above I could add

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Tom, just PM to Rhu

[dnwheeler]

Another interesting situation exists with "All Wheel Back No. 2 [Bicycle]". This is listed as a limited edition run with only 2500 decks printed. Unfortunately, it isn't that simple. There are 2500 decks with a limited edition "x of 2500" seal on the tuck, but there are also unlimited decks with a standard seal.

This may be a problem with some other limited edition decks, too (e.g., some with embossed tuck, some without, etc.).

[dnwheeler]

I understand the desire of users to include every deck they own, but I think there should probably be a distinction between new/unused casino decks and used/canceled decks. The new decks typically have some value (and are virtually impossible to get until a casino closes), but the used decks have almost none (Las Vegas casinos go through hundreds, if not thousands, of decks every day).

[iDoctor]

I understand the desire of users to include every deck they own, but I think there should probably be a distinction between new/unused casino decks and used/canceled decks. The new decks typically have some value (and are virtually impossible to get until a casino closes), but the used decks have almost none (Las Vegas casinos go through hundreds, if not thousands, of decks every day).

Well, dnwheeler, I think that casino decks will be a very different story later. A few of them have value, not more that one dozen casino names are famous (if we talk about their cards). I'm sure everybody knows their names, but nobody may offer any certain criterias, and somebody will definetely be disapointed anyway.
And - some of 'famous' casino decks could be found as cancelled only - but worth much more than many of uncancelled decks. So I'm sure that casino decks story should be properly discussed before we find more or less acceptable decision.

P.S. Patriotic Air Force has improved.

[MagikFingerz]

Bicycle Bungalou is a bit trickier to fix. The image is the tuck for the 1128 deck, but there are actually two variations that only affect the faces of the cards (and the back of the tuck). So, it should really be split into two decks, but some users have already added it to their collection and we can't tell which variation they have. There is also a separate entry called "Rider Back Metallic Silver [Bicycle]" which is probably the same but shows the international tuck.

I'm pretty sure I saw at least 1 other entry of the 1128 deck in there.

I had started working on a similar database before I discovered Rhu's work, and I used the database schema to address this issue. I broke the concept of a "deck" into two: a "deck" and a "deck variation". For example, the Dragon Back is a "deck" that has 5 "deck variations" (red, blue, gold, green, and yellow). The manufacturer and producer were associated with the deck variation and not the deck. This allows for different variations from different producers. I was planning on making all Rider Back decks different variations of a single deck design. Similarly, the Theory11 Platinum decks are just variations of the standard USPCC decks.

I'm no web designer/programmer, so I have no idea how easy/hard it is to make systems for this. But what I think would be good is to have different types of "tags" from which the title is automatically generated. Basically the same as what you said, but broken down even more. "Brand", "series", "name", "version", "color", etc. That way titles would automatically be streamlined instead of some entries having Bicycle in brackets while some have it in front.

[ecNate]

Another interesting situation exists with "All Wheel Back No. 2 [Bicycle]". This is listed as a limited edition run with only 2500 decks printed. Unfortunately, it isn't that simple. There are 2500 decks with a limited edition "x of 2500" seal on the tuck, but there are also unlimited decks with a standard seal.

This may be a problem with some other limited edition decks, too (e.g., some with embossed tuck, some without, etc.).

Wouldn't that just mean the one that exists should be changed to "All Wheel Back No. 2 (Limited) [Bicycle]' with the print count listed and add a new one called "All Wheel Back No. 2 Limited [Bicycle]"? I placed 'Limited' in parenthesis since I believe it wasn't part of the deck name, but just a PCDB clarification.

That's usually how that is done with other decks that have limited and unlimited versions where the limited deck is signified via name as being special. Also, there was also a solution for the Private Reserve as well where a small set was removed and re-sealed and sold - https://playingcarddb.com/search?name=N.17

I understand the desire of users to include every deck they own, but I think there should probably be a distinction between new/unused casino decks and used/canceled decks. The new decks typically have some value (and are virtually impossible to get until a casino closes), but the used decks have almost none (Las Vegas casinos go through hundreds, if not thousands, of decks every day).

Casino decks were a new thing until recently so you are right this has not yet been handled. How about adding a naming convention of 'CANCELLED' at the end of the name of any cancelled deck? I don't think we need to get into unopened vs opened vs used, since that same difference can be within any collection for any deck. Simply changing any deck listing that has clear images of cancelled decks with a new name should do. I can update the guidelines if you all are cool with that.

[iDoctor]

Casino decks were a new thing until recently so you are right this has not yet been handled. How about adding a naming convention of 'CANCELLED' at the end of the name of any cancelled deck? I don't think we need to get into unopened vs opened vs used, since that same difference can be within any collection for any deck. Simply changing any deck listing that has clear images of cancelled decks with a new name should do. I can update the guidelines if you all are cool with that.

Hi, ecNate, I've just read your message and glad to see you here
I'm not sure that 'Cancelled' option is realy necessary. You've been right - it's just the same as 'used', 'opened', etc. At the same time, some of very interesting casino decks (for example Silver Slipper red and black decks) were in the real game and may be cancelled, but they are more 'famous' than uncancelled from casino's gift shop. They just cost less than the same but uncancelled cards. I've never seen uncancelled Golden Nugget's - Gambling Hall and Rooming House cards, but they are very 'famous' nevertheless. And so on.
I absoluthely agree that standard diamond-baked casino Bee deck shouldn't stay close to Jerry's, Carson or Golden Nuggets decks. But I don't think that I know any certain criterias..

[iDoctor]

Another interesting situation exists with "All Wheel Back No. 2 [Bicycle]". This is listed as a limited edition run with only 2500 decks printed. Unfortunately, it isn't that simple. There are 2500 decks with a limited edition "x of 2500" seal on the tuck, but there are also unlimited decks with a standard seal.

This may be a problem with some other limited edition decks, too (e.g., some with embossed tuck, some without, etc.).

Hi, confirmed and improved. I've just added All Wheel Back No.2 White Seal [Bicycle], limited to 2500, and Black Seal, unlimited. Both pictures have been also added. Thanks!

[dnwheeler]

I just uploaded front and back tuck images for both the red and variations of this. Could someone change the thumbnails to use the tuck front?

Thanks,
--Doug

[cherrynukacola]

Not sure where to put this, so I'll just leave it here: The Carpathia deck has the wrong image attached to it (Black Carpathia instead of normal Carpathis). I've uploaded the correct image, but lack the permission to set it as the box scan.

[iDoctor]

Hey,
Thanks, improved.

[dnwheeler]

There are now two "Ace Red" and "Ace Blue" decks (Cartamundi). Could someone rename the two plastic versions (look at the scans) to "Ace Plastic Red" and "Ace Plastic Blue" or something similar?

Thanks,
--Doug

[dnwheeler]

I just uploaded new images for Fashion Lavender. The color is more accurate. Also, the current tuck back image is incorrect (it looks like just purple Rider Back - not a Fashion deck which have white pips/numbers on a colored background).

--Doug

[iDoctor]

Ok, Doug, thanks, improved.
Please also check Fashion Berry back, I have some doubts..

[dnwheeler]

The Berry deck has the correct back image. That is one of the reasons why I doubt that the Berry deck is actually part of the Fashion series. I wish someone had a definitive list from USPCC of which cards are in the Fashion series.

I have also heard the Rejuvenate, Flirtatious, Bungalow, and Twilight decks called "New Fashion" decks. I have no idea if that is true, either.

[dnwheeler]

I just added the two variations of the Bicycle 1128 deck (I don't know any name other than the number on the tuck). The front of the tuck looks the same, but the back reflects the fact that the faces of the cards have either a white or silver background.

This suggests two edits to other decks in the PCDB:

1. The Bicycle Bungalou should be deleted. It is clearly one of the 1128 variations, but there's no way to tell which one it is. Several users have added it to their collections, so the only way to resolve who has which variation is to delete this one and have them re-add the correct variation from the two I just added.

2. The Bicycle 2128 Silver deck should be renamed to Bicycle 2128 White. This is to be consistent with the 1128 decks. I know there are the two variations of the 1128, but to date, I have never seen a second variation of the 2128 deck (which would logically have a silver background on the card faces).

[dnwheeler]

The Tactical Field deck presents an interesting dilemma. There are actually two variations of this, one with green backs, and one with black. Unfortunately, the tucks are identical - there's no way to tell what you have without opening them (although I guess that bricks are half and half).

I think we may need to have 3 separate entries - one for the two variations (for users who know what they have), and a third for the unknowns.

[dnwheeler]

The Aladdin 1001 Blue and Aladdin 1001 Red decks come in both Smooth Finish and Air-Cushion finish, but the decks that were in the PCDB didn't differentiate.

The picture with the Aladdin 1001 Red deck shows a Smooth Finish tuck and the picture with the Aladdin 1001 Blue deck shows an Air-Cushion tuck. I have added the opposite decks (Blue Smooth and Red Air-Cushion), but the original entries should be renamed to indicate which is which.

[flyers3003]

The Aladdin 1001 Blue and Aladdin 1001 Red decks come in both Smooth Finish and Air-Cushion finish, but the decks that were in the PCDB didn't differentiate.

The picture with the Aladdin 1001 Red deck shows a Smooth Finish tuck and the picture with the Aladdin 1001 Blue deck shows an Air-Cushion tuck. I have added the opposite decks (Blue Smooth and Red Air-Cushion), but the original entries should be renamed to indicate which is which.

Should we also be differentiating many of the CARC decks (Skull & Bones, Smith Blue, Green Acorn, etc.) with both Cambric and Ivory?

[dazzleguts]

IMO when there is no visible difference those kinds of details should be up to the individual collector to track/record. Since the DB is very visual there's no reason to have the same tuck box posted more than once, and notes can be made in the description about the different finishes a deck may have. I believe it has been mentioned that Rhu is going to be making it possible to make notes, or at least have checkboxes, for details like that, within each person's collection.

[dnwheeler]

Since the DB is very visual there's no reason to have the same tuck box posted more than once, and notes can be made in the description about the different finishes a deck may have.

The Aladdin tucks are, in fact, different between the Air-Cushion and Smooth Finish decks.

But, even in cases where the tucks are the same (or very similar), some people (myself included) tend to be completists, and consider even minor variations significant. Some (not me) even go so far as to distinguish between Bicycle Standard decks that have different "ads" printed on the tuck.

It can be hard to guess how people want to use the database. It ranges from "I want to show off my collection" to "I need a detailed inventory covering every print run, location of manufacture, etc."

[dnwheeler]

The Magic Castle cards in the PCDB have images for two different versions of these cards. These should be separate decks. Unfortunately, for the users who already added them to their database, is isn't clear which version they have.

[iDoctor]

The Magic Castle cards in the PCDB have images for two different versions of these cards. These should be separate decks. Unfortunately, for the users who already added them to their database, is isn't clear which version they have.

dnwheeler, please describe the difference between two versions of Magic Castle cards - unfortunately my cards are the same as in PCDB and it's not clear for me..

[dnwheeler]

The Magic Castle cards in the PCDB have images for two different versions of these cards. These should be separate decks. Unfortunately, for the users who already added them to their database, is isn't clear which version they have.

dnwheeler, please describe the difference between two versions of Magic Castle cards - unfortunately my cards are the same as in PCDB and it's not clear for me..

Here are images of the original decks:
tuck: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31g9YIl%2Bh8L.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
cards: http://www.magiccastle.com/giftshop/ezc ... cts/53.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And the new decks:
tuck: http://www.magiccastle.com/giftshop/ezc ... tn/988.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These are both available in blue and red. There is also red and blue 50th anniversary decks.

Anyway, if you look at either the red or blue decks in the PCDB, they each have images from both the original and new decks.