GandalfPC wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:39 am
Regarding the campaign issues I see WW as being the bigger company, the one who ran the campaign and the one that made the screw ups, so I do see it as WW’s responsibility to fix - they just left GW out on the plank at the moment and thats no fairer than anyone who got screwed with extra charges.
I don’t disagree and I think this is a fair assessment. It’s an unfortunate situation for TGW.
Curious to see how this affects the corrupted. My previous comments still stand about acquiring them. I would like to support but not sure I can trust WW.
hsbc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:35 am
Sorry Gandalf!
It’s ok - we do have plenty of people here who aren’t under anyones thumb already, and more will come - my tolerance for attempting to wrangle wild stallions need not be the only determination in who crossed a line.
Oh what a mess has happened in this thread since I read this all last night.
Omar, Im sorry about your cat, Ive gone through that before and my current one has more time behind her than ahead. To say that post was manipulative is a bad take by a mile.
Im also sorry they way this campaign has gone, I already figured you were done with WW after this. If they think there is value in continuing cards they certainly will, I dont think you had anything to do with last years tarot decks and that appeared to have gone well(not into tarot, didnt get it, not getting it now when theyre promoting it again). They've done supplier swaps with dice a few times already (thats not meant as a negative observation on you, just the way WW operates).
Also for the above comment about not liking how Doug runs the company...definitely don't watch a lot of the recent videos he's in full bore profit maximization mode.
As for corrupted it will do....fine? Im sure this is going to massively dent the European supporters and run off a few US ones but what I ended up paying was again...fine...normal for US merchandise....the comments will be "fun" though. Im certainly still in for every different deck I can get my hands on whether it was a TGW or WW campaign alone.
I would think Corrupted would benefit from “shipping included” pricing - but just letting people know the situation has been handled in some fashion and won’t happen again should remedy as much as can be remedied outside of that.
No avoiding impact other than paying everyone back the overcharges (which perhaps WW might be talked into doing) but hard to say how significant the impact will be regardless - vanda managed to structure the alice campaign in a fashion as to greatly mitigate his past campaign impact and that was a much more extreme and direct case (though I must also note that vanda delivered without overcharges, just overtime and out of touch).
Well, the thing is at least for the euro backers who were given $25 the shipping was ok it’s the tax/duty. Which is outside ww’s control but they should be doing everything they can to charge the least. And again I can’t fathom what is driving the quotes we’re seeing. But I’m not in Europe and I have no idea what’s “normal”
Drewser wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:15 am
You're a meatball that can't stand to hear an opinion other than your own. If you want to tell me to be quiet or call me insensitive or rude or say I'm acting like a troll or a child, then I will fire back. You don't scare me clown. You should go read all the angry comments from the ks again. Tell the people there they need to grow up. Good luck.
Drewser wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:39 amNo Sir, I think you're a bad dude. Take your own advice please.
GandalfPC wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:27 am
I will further add that we need people here who refuse to be under thumbs and tow lines - they balance out the flower children nicely. I personally like to waft between the two positions as the wind blows me.
Sorry Gandalf!
If anyone has comments on this (or anything else, as always), my PMs are open
Well said by GandalfPC. The personal attacks you've cited are clearly reactive to the attacks first initiated by others because of the lack of things agreed upon. Everyone does need to be nicer to each other but that doesn't begin to happen if only one side is allowed an opinion by silencing dissenting voices.
SocialDistortion wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:40 pmThe personal attacks you've cited are clearly reactive to the attacks first initiated by others because of the lack of things agreed upon. Everyone does need to be nicer to each other but that doesn't begin to happen if only one side is allowed an opinion by silencing dissenting voices.
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lmao for real bdawg. the perfect meme for this. i can get a little crazy in here at times but holy crap this guy.
in the past, i have been as hard on TGW as it comes. i did not back this campaign but following this thread, i feel like TGW has probably taken more responsibility for this fiasco than he should have. it seems like WW is squarely to blame for most of this mess.
Omar, sorry to hear about Shakespear. i am sure we all wish there were something we could do for you.
literally, lol again is i look up and see the pizza meme!
I wrote an email to wyrmwood staff this morning again asking for additional clarification on the international shipping inconsistencies. I am awaiting a definitive reply. I have a feeling all the negative feedback over the weekend probably has people scrambling over there.
I am torn between how heavily I want to be involved with the corrupted launch. On one end I am EXTREMELY proud of the deck and the work that Xia Hunt and Studio Pression have put into it so far. Divorcing my good feelings from the disappointment with how the fulfillment and shipping issues are being handled on Groundskeeper is very hard. I've been invited to participate in the KS campaign videos to talk about the cards/tucks but I'm worried that my disappointment with wyrmwood will shine through. I also don't want to subject my reputation to further scrutiny--especially when I feel as if I had little to no control. Even moreso when I consider that my advice to wyrmwood on international fulfillment was ignored. I even connected them with Bao at deallez to facilitate the process further. They abandoned that idea--seemingly when they decided it was too much hassle for them. I'm proud of the backers showing wyrmwood what the real hassle would be. There's a lot of commendable aspects with wyrmwood. ANd what I'm about to say is not a referendum on them as people--but, collectively as a business, they often convince themselves that they are beyond reproach and make decisions with very myopic perspectives. I believe it's the direct cause of their more recent issues, and also in a ouroboros kind of way the result of those issues.
Thank you to all those who voiced your condolences. We put bunny (my nickname for shakespeare) to sleep on saturday afternoon. Lady Wake and I are crushed. We loved him very much.
Again Im sorry to hear about Shakespeare, my 15 year old cat agrees.
Their stated reason for not using deallez was that it wouldn't really reduce the tax/duty which...again..not European...I still again cant imagine was entirely true as well as not having QC...but I have to imagine deallez is used to doing a bit of that as well.
As for corrupted, you do what you gotta do, I already said it might be worth considering reducing your footprint.
WW's problem is planning ahead, they are pretty good in the moment but when things don't go well they suck (or even when they do, they bought an entire company to make tables...then spent 2 years getting that product line actually going including shutting down the purchased companies existing lines of business).
related though to both campaigns is todays Wyrmlife video where they spend most of the episode talking about the cabinets for the corrupted campaign but also show off mockups of the coins.
However for groundskeeper go to the end (7:50) where they show off some of the shipping boxes if you are so interested.
Im REALLY surprised there arent any (yet) negative comments about the campaign.
Im very curious whether the groundskeeper discourse makes an episode this week and what they have to say about Omar if they do.
I'll be sure to link it if it comes up, no matter what they say.
Evilgamer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:06 am
I'll be sure to link it if it comes up, no matter what they say.
I'm allergic to bullshit, and so far they've given us a lot of it. Their words don't hold up to anything, so why bother listening?
If it not for the interest to the products itself, I wouldn't be giving any more views to these guys. But thanks for filtering out the relevant episodes for us!
Nice groundskeeper boxes though, I didn't expect the coins to have one. The bigger box also explains why its shipping costs more than a single deck. They didn't even bother to get a color-corrected bronze coin lol.
I would not recommend trying to combine your Groundskeeper and Corrupted Poker order, We will not be accepting Groundskeeper orders after the pledge manager closes, To ensure you get all of your items I would recommend purchasing your Groundskeeper and and Corrupted Poker items separately.
I got these from WW support if anyone else is interested.
Evilgamer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:06 am
I'll be sure to link it if it comes up, no matter what they say.
I'm allergic to bullshit, and so far they've given us a lot of it. Their words don't hold up to anything, so why bother listening?
If it not for the interest to the products itself, I wouldn't be giving any more views to these guys. But thanks for filtering out the relevant episodes for us!
Nice groundskeeper boxes though, I didn't expect the coins to have one. The bigger box also explains why its shipping costs more than a single deck. They didn't even bother to get a color-corrected bronze coin lol.
The coins will be accurate on the final release of course. But producing more prototypes doesn't make a ton of sense now that sales are wrapped up. Besides China has recently had its Autumn festival and facilities have slowed to a trickle.
But… what bout the poor unfortunate international souls who had done the survey, like myself? Am I fudged?
If they don't make it clear(i.e. just refund automatically), do a quick "reorder" up to just before paying after they fix it and if the price delta is enough to care about...email CS. Im sure they are going to be super swamped so it might take...I dunno...2 weeks to get a response but they'll fix it.
So they are using Zonos to process international. I was able to find this pricing guide that shows what extra fees are charged as a result of using them. I have never heard of an "advancement fee" before, but was able to find a definition on their site: "Advancement fees are charged by carriers for paying duty and tax to customs on your behalf upon import. " So basically an extra change from the carrier to do you the favour of paying duty and tax to the government. How nice of them. Here's an example they give of the cost breakdown
We can see in this example from Zonos an item that supposedly is valued at $100 is being charged $47.10 of which NONE of that is the actual shipping cost. so 47.1% of the value. So even if they fix this "bug" because they are using a third party who also tacks on other fees, you are paying a hell of a lot more than if Wyrmwood did it themselves.
